Alice RUCK

1799 -

• Name	Alice RUCK
  Born	10 Nov 1799	Charing, Kent, England
  Christened	1 Dec 1799	Charing, Kent, England
  Gender	Female
  Person ID	I5445	Young Kent Ancestors
  Last Modified	3 Dec 2020

  
  

  Father	John RUCK,   c. 17 Nov 1776, Elham, Kent, England ,   bur. 25 Apr 1846, Charing, Kent, England  (Age ~ 69 years)
  Mother	Alice RUSSELL,   b. 1756/1760, Charing, Kent, England
  Married	21 Jan 1799	Charing, Kent, England   [1, 2]
  Family ID	F5890	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  
  

  Family	Abraham DE SOIZA,   b. Abt 1799, Amsterdam, Holland ,   d. Jun Qtr 1856, Derby District, Derbyshire, England  (Age ~ 57 years)
  Married	Abt 1822	London, England
  Children	1. Rachel DE SOIZA,   b. 1823, Whitechapel, London, England   2. Joseph DE SOIZA,   b. 4 Aug 1827,   d. 1861, Derby St. Alkmund, Derbyshire, England  (Age 33 years)   3. Leah Catherine DE SOIZA,   b. 1828, Longcollingham, Derbyshire, England ,   d. 28 Jul 1870, Great Northern Hospital, Caledonian Road, Islington, London, England  (Age 42 years)   4. Rosetta Matilda DE SOIZA,   b. 1832, Longcollingham, Derbyshire, England ,   d. 1895, Hull, Yorkshire, England  (Age 63 years)   5. Rebecca Louisa DE SOIZA,   b. 1831, Rocester, Staffordshire, England ,   d. 14 Dec 1918, Hull, Yorkshire, England  (Age 87 years)   6. Isabella DE SOIZA,   b. 1832, Rocester, Staffordshire, England ,   d. pre-1881  (Age 49 years)   7. Abraham ^ DE SOIZA,   b. 1836, Rocester, Staffordshire, England ,   d. 1856, Derby St.Peter, Derbyshire, England  (Age 20 years)   8. Daniel DE SOIZA,   b. 1838, Rocester, Staffordshire, England   9. Reuben DE SOIZA,   b. Jun Qtr 1841, Derby District, Derbyshire, England ,   d. Jun Qtr 1924, Nottingham District, Nottinghamshire, England  (Age ~ 83 years)
  Last Modified	20 Mar 2022
  Family ID	F1973	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  
  

• Notes

  Pam Bartram bartrampam@hotmail.com Alice Ruck/Abraham DeSoiza she wrote on Nov 9 Hi. My great great grandparents were Alice and Abraham,There youngest son Rueben was my great grandfather who died in 1924.He had two sons Louis and Joseph Frederick who was my grandfather and whom I remember as he died in 1956 when I was 10.My mother was Matilda Eliza an only child. I have done some research into Abraham’s family who lived in Derby and Hull,but have not yet found a marriage record for Alice and Abraham.Any information about them would be appreciated.Your Ruck Family Tree is very impressive. Best wishes. Terry Bartram ------------------------------------- Then Terry Bartram wrote again from bartramterence@hotmail.co.uk Hello, Terry, Alice Ruck's marriage to Abraham DeSoiza has been a puzzle that I have not been able to solve. Most likely the marriage took place in London at a non-conformist church or chapel, which is either no longer standing or the registers are among those destroyed during WWII bombing. It was another researcher who wrote to me many years ago who advised that Alice Ruck had married Abraham. Now, turning to Alice's parents, John Ruck and Alice Miller nee Russell. Immediately you will notice that I now have Alice's maiden surname and this should indicate that the information on my website is quite out-dated. John Ruck (who married Alice Miller) was initially thought to be the son of John Ruck and Frances Launcefield of Throwley. But, then another researcher indicated that he tied the son, John, of that John Ruck, to a marriage to an Elizabeth Ann Winder at Lenham. So, for a very long time John Ruck (son of John Ruck and Frances Launcefield) was left to sit in my tree as having married both women as no burial for Alice formerly Miller nee Russell could be found in Kent. Consequently, it was surmised that Alice had died somewhere in London as the family of John Ruck and Elizabeth Ann Winder were all born at London. Since those early days my research into the Ruck family has advanced significantly. There are still many unresolved conflicts within various members of the larger family. New information of many more births, baptisms, marriages, deaths and burials is slowly shaking up the larger tree and its connections. One of the more recent trains of thought has been about John Ruck and Alice Miller nee Russell and whether or not that John fits with John the son of John Ruck and Frances Launcefield. In a word, I now don't believe that he does. This John Ruck who married Alice Miller nee Russell I do not now think that he was the son of John Ruck and Frances Launcefield as their son John was apprenticed by his father in 1795 for a period of 7 years as a cooper at London. That John's apprenticeship would not have finished until 1802 and generally, apprentices were not permitted to marry before they completed their apprenticeship. Additionally, even if this John had been that John and apprenticed for only 4 years he would have been able to sign his name in the marriage register at Charing. The marriage register at Charing shows that John Ruck signed with an X as did Alice Miller. So, this further supports my suspicions that John who married Alice Russell is not the John Ruck who married Elizabeth Ann Winder. Another point is that the marriage of John Ruck and Elizabeth Ann Winder states that John Ruck was of Lambeth. The apprenticeship would have been completed in 1802, a few years before his marriage to Elizabeth Ann Winder and most likely those intervening years would have been filled with making his living and settling in to a stable life. Furthermore, the fact that the marriage at Lenham to Elizabeth Ann Winder indicates that John Ruck was of Lambeth would also tie in with his apprenticeship at London. The last piece of evidence that the two John Rucks are separate individuals came with the advancement of readily available census. John Ruck born at Throwley and married to Elizabeth Ann Winder appears in 1841 at Lewisham, Sydenham Hill and in 1851 at Croyden, Surrey. In 1841 he is recorded as a merchant and in 1851 as a retired wine merchant. Simultaneously, in 1841 at Charing are John Ruck and Alice, aged 70 and 80, respectively with no one else in their household. This fact rather pointedly demonstrates that the two John's are separate people. So, then, if the John Ruck (son of John Ruck and Frances Launcefield) is otherwise demonstrated to be the husband of Elizabeth Ann Winder, who then is the John Ruck who married Alice Miller nee Russell? So, then, with this deeper research into John Ruck's appeared two marriages, the picture is emerging that there must have been another John Ruck of a similar age who could possibly fit the person who could have married Alice Miller nee Russell. There has always been one very nagging point about this marriage: The 1840 census revealed that there was a large age disparity between John and Alice, with him being about 10 years her junior. She was a widow. He was a bachelor. What would a bachelor who apparently couldn't sign his name was doing marrying a widow about 10 years older than himself? With the shakeup of my own ancestral Ruck line I was forced to develop the Ruck family at Elham. I still do not have the entire group of Rucks emanating from Elham completed. However, I have discovered that there was an illegitimate John Ruck born to Ann Ruck at Elham on 17 Nov 1776. I have also tracked down the marriages and/or burials of every other John Ruck in Kent. After that exercise this John (son of Ann) remains as the only other possible fit for John Ruck who married Alice Miller nee Russell. I have not had the benefit of being able to search for Bastardy examinations or Parish Overseer Accounts for Ann or her son John. Once the world returns to normal this will be one of the lines of research I will be picking up. Certainly, this John appears to be a fit for the father of Alice Ruck. He had extended family in the Charing and Throwley area and may even have gone to work for John the elder at Throwley as that John's own son would have been away in London on his apprenticeship. He was illegitimate, which would explain why his first wife was much older than he and a widow and that widow had four children from her previous marriage. Lastly, there is no burial at Elham for this John Ruck. The next step was to determine who the Ann Ruck was. Thanks to the shakeup of my own tree which saw my Thomas Ruck, Sr. being reassigned as the illegitimate son of Mary Ruck of Elham, I was made aware that Mary's brother, Richard had gone off to Leeds, Kent to follow the trade of carpentry. That same Richard had a daughter named Ann chr. 1 May 1756 at Leeds from his second marriage to Ann Skinner. Richard had been baptised at Elham on 21 March 1707/08. The father of my Thomas Ruck was one Edward Rigden who was an apprentice of Richard Ruck of Leeds. So, it would make perfect sense for Richard to send his own daughter back to Elham to have her child as there was a large immediate family at Elham who could help and care for Ann during her pregnancy. We still end up back at John Ruck and Margaret, circa 1500s at Boughton-under-Blean, just along a different path. Alice RUCK would have been my 3rd cousin 4 times removed. Our common ancestors are John RUCK and Elizabeth BEANE of Elham. I'm sending along the new pedigree of Alice Ruck, based on the currently state of research and findings. If you have any questions, please do write. I hope this helps, although I cannot provide any details of the marriage of Alice Ruck to Abraham DeSoiza.

  
  

• Sources

  [S34] Parish Register, England, Kent: Church of England, Canterbury Cathedral Archives, (U.S.A., Salt Lake City: Genealogical Society of Utah), Charing, Kent, England, Marriage Register, 1798-1799, p. 56, 21 Jan 1799. John Ruck of the parish of Throwley batchelor and Allice Miller widow of this parish Married in this Church by banns this twenty-first day of January in the year one thousand seven hundred and ninety-nine by me John Barwick, Minister. This Marriage was solemnized between us John Ruck his mark and Allice Miller her mark In the present of James Curtis and Ann Curtis [S34] Parish Register, England, Kent: Church of England, Canterbury Cathedral Archives, (U.S.A., Salt Lake City: Genealogical Society of Utah), Charing, Kent, England, Marriage Banns Register, page not numbered, 20 Jan 1799. John Ruck batchelor of the parish of Throwley [note: this appears to have originally been written as "of this parish"] and Allice Miller Widow of this parish were publised on the three Sundays underwritten: That is to say, on Sunday the 7 January 1799 on Sunday the 13 January 1799 on Sunday the 20 January 1799 signed John Barwick